Website Accessability by persons who are using screen readers

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tgb417
tgb417 Dataiku DSS Core Designer, Dataiku DSS & SQL, Dataiku DSS ML Practitioner, Dataiku DSS Core Concepts, Neuron 2020, Neuron, Registered, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Finalist, Neuron 2021, Neuron 2022, Frontrunner 2022 Finalist, Frontrunner 2022 Winner, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Participant, Frontrunner 2022 Participant, Neuron 2023 Posts: 1,595 Neuron

User Story

As a blind person or other neurodiverse individual who has accessibility challenges with visual text or images, and uses a "screen reader" to interact with Dataiku Web Sites (Community, Learning, the Product itself). I would like to be able to successfully use all web interfaces provided by Dataiku.

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  • In the United States, there is the Americans with Disabilities Act, that mandates that employers make accommodations for diverse workers.
  • Screen Reader turns visual images of a web site into spoken words.
  • It is often important that graphics have alt tags. For example in some places on the community site the Kudo thumb up and down options don't say that the thumbs-up icon is about setting a Kudo.
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  • Mark_Treveil
    Mark_Treveil Dataiker Alumni Posts: 30 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    We acknowledge the need to meet accessibility standards in all our software.

    A plan to improve DSS accessibility is currently being discussed.

  • tgb417
    tgb417 Dataiku DSS Core Designer, Dataiku DSS & SQL, Dataiku DSS ML Practitioner, Dataiku DSS Core Concepts, Neuron 2020, Neuron, Registered, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Finalist, Neuron 2021, Neuron 2022, Frontrunner 2022 Finalist, Frontrunner 2022 Winner, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Participant, Frontrunner 2022 Participant, Neuron 2023 Posts: 1,595 Neuron
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    Excellent. Looking forward to hearing more about your progress.

  • Mark_Treveil
    Mark_Treveil Dataiker Alumni Posts: 30 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have quite of lot of experience in this field from a previous life, but equally it is always valuable to get direct feedback from disabled users. Do you have any in your organisation, by chance, using DSS today?

  • tgb417
    tgb417 Dataiku DSS Core Designer, Dataiku DSS & SQL, Dataiku DSS ML Practitioner, Dataiku DSS Core Concepts, Neuron 2020, Neuron, Registered, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Finalist, Neuron 2021, Neuron 2022, Frontrunner 2022 Finalist, Frontrunner 2022 Winner, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Participant, Frontrunner 2022 Participant, Neuron 2023 Posts: 1,595 Neuron
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    I agree that having a full time user of these tools is very helpful. At this time I do not know a full time data scientist who is blind.

    I some times like to use a screen reader this is how I noticed the problems with kudos on the community site.

    Then as a disabilities advocate, and a person with some knowledge of adaptive technology, I felt it important to raise the topic.

    If you need some assistance testing, I’d be willing to pitch in as I have time.

    However, to your point recruiting a group of neuro and sensory diverse individuals as an advisory team would be very helpful to your efforts.

    That said I suspect that we may have a bit of a chicken and the egg problem here. Until DSS is well suited to screen readers it may be difficult to recruit a dedicated advisory team.

    In this thread I note that there is a blind R users group.

    https://www.researchgate.net/post/Do_you_know_of_statistical_analysis_software_that_is_accessible_for_the_blind

    Here is the link to the blind r users group.

    https://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindrug_nfbnet.org

    This looks to be out of the US National Federation of the Blind. I would imaging other groups in the UK and Australia as well.

    I would think that when you are ready you may be able to recruit some more testers.

  • tgb417
    tgb417 Dataiku DSS Core Designer, Dataiku DSS & SQL, Dataiku DSS ML Practitioner, Dataiku DSS Core Concepts, Neuron 2020, Neuron, Registered, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Finalist, Neuron 2021, Neuron 2022, Frontrunner 2022 Finalist, Frontrunner 2022 Winner, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Participant, Frontrunner 2022 Participant, Neuron 2023 Posts: 1,595 Neuron
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    @Mark_Treveil

    A great example today of where Dataiku is missing meaningful alt tags is on the academy pages. For example.

    https://academy.dataiku.com/path/ml-practitioner/intro-to-machine-learning-ml/634976

    There are lots of images that have alt tags. However, they add nothing to the understanding of the page. They are set to exactly what the source is. They do not describe what the image is exactly.

    Use of Alt Tags.jpg

    Attached is a video in which you can hear what a user of the Apple Macintosh built-in screen reader sounds like when someone using a screen reader tries to listen to the page.

    Note how the current alt tags on the images actually gets in the way of understanding the content. Because it breaks the flow.

    A better alt tag for this might be:

    "line drawing Predicting purchasing patterns, On the left a customer with a market basket of purchased items labeled "Data (customer purchase info), in the Middle a robot representing ML model, the robot is using a set of rules based on "Monthly spending on web site, Products Reviewed, Area of residency, Banks with..., Previous Transactions on web site to make a binary yes/no prediction."

    cc: @Alex_Reutter

  • tgb417
    tgb417 Dataiku DSS Core Designer, Dataiku DSS & SQL, Dataiku DSS ML Practitioner, Dataiku DSS Core Concepts, Neuron 2020, Neuron, Registered, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Finalist, Neuron 2021, Neuron 2022, Frontrunner 2022 Finalist, Frontrunner 2022 Winner, Dataiku Frontrunner Awards 2021 Participant, Frontrunner 2022 Participant, Neuron 2023 Posts: 1,595 Neuron
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    I'd like to say that I've noticed some nice changes when it comes to alt tags on the academic website.

    Crash Course in Dataiku DSS 10

    Thank You for starting this change.

    Use of Alt Tags on Dataiku Web Site.png

    Please continue your work in this area.

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